As an early-stage founder, you’re likely the best salesperson your company has ever had—and for a good reason. You understand your product inside and out, and your passion is infectious. However, as your company grows, the demands on your time increase and the need to scale your revenue becomes critical. This is where the transition from founder-led sales to founder-managed sales begins.
In this guide, I’ll walk you through the essential steps and strategies to ensure this transition is smooth and effective and sets your company up for scalable revenue growth. We’ll focus on establishing a sales framework before bringing in a dedicated sales leader, which is a crucial stage for any startup poised for growth.
Understanding the Transition Phases
Your journey from founder-led sales to a fully managed sales team typically occurs in stages:
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Founder-Led Sales (Up to $1M ARR): At this stage, you, as the founder, are likely the only salesperson. Your early customers are often “friendlies”—people within your network who understand your vision and are willing to give your product a shot.
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Transition Phase ($1M to $3M ARR): This is the critical moment when you start managing sales rather than leading every sale yourself. You may hire a VP of Sales or bring in your first sales hires. You begin to sell not just to friendlies but also to strangers—people who have no prior relationship with you.
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Managed Sales ($3M to $10M ARR): Here, your VP of Sales takes the reins, and you focus more on managing the sales strategy and team from a higher level.
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Scaling Sales (Above $10M ARR): Now, you’re building out a full-fledged sales team with account executives, SDRs, and account managers. Your sales process is repeatable, predictable, and scalable.
Indicators You’re Ready for a Sales Framework
It’s essential to recognize when you’re ready to establish a sales framework. Here are some signs:
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You’ve Achieved Product-Market Fit: You’re confident your product meets market needs, and now it’s time to expand beyond your warm connections.
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Sales as a Soft Spot: If you or your founding team lack sales expertise, it’s time to put a framework in place.
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Growing Revenue Demands: Both investors and your own business needs are pushing for revenue growth. This requires a structured approach.
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Temptation to Outsource Sales: If you feel the urge to hire a head of sales immediately to offload sales responsibilities, it’s a sign that you need a framework first.
The Sales Framework: What Is It?
A robust sales framework consists of three core components: a sales and business development strategy, pipeline management, and partner optimization.
1. Sales and Business Development Strategy
The primary goal here is to acquire your first 10 customers, which often corresponds with reaching your first $1M in ARR.
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Ideal Client Profile (ICP): Define your ICP not as a product but as a Minimally Viable Customer (MVC). Identify the absolute minimum criteria a customer must meet to fit your target profile. Start narrow and expand as you grow.
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Addressable Market: Use the ARC method—Assume, Research, and Competitors—to define, refine, and verify your total addressable market.
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Industry-Standard Commercial Terms: Early on, don’t reinvent the wheel. Use standard commercial terms and accept that you may leave money on the table initially. Focus on getting customers in the door.
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Customer Journey Mapping: Differentiate between your direct-sold (cold outbound) and organic leads. Map out these journeys clearly to streamline your sales process.
2. Pipeline Management
Your goal in this stage is to fill your pipeline to capacity with your current headcount and tools.
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MQL to SQL Framework: Marketing Qualified Leads (MQLs) are potential customers who fit your ICP. Sales Qualified Leads (SQLs) are those MQLs who have shown interest. Aim for a 10% conversion rate from MQL to SQL, and refine your approach as you gather more data.
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Cold Outbound Messaging: Focus on tight, personalized outreach rather than broad, generic messaging. Quality trumps quantity in effective pipeline management.
3. Partner Optimization
Never overlook the value of existing customers. It’s easier and more cost-effective to expand your share of wallet with current clients than to acquire new ones.
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Share of Wallet: Calculate your share of wallet by assessing the total potential revenue from a customer and comparing it to what you currently earn from them. Prioritize customers where your share is small but the potential is large.
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Reduce Churn: Focus on client retention by providing outstanding customer support. Regularly assess your clients’ satisfaction levels and address any concerns proactively.
Key Takeaways
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Don’t Ignore the Transition Stage: It’s a critical moment in your company’s growth. Setting up a sales framework will prevent costly mistakes and ensure smooth scaling.
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Answer the Hard Questions: Building your framework forces you to confront challenging decisions about your market, customer base, and sales strategy.
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Set Up Before Hiring: Do the groundwork before bringing in a sales leader. This ensures they have a strong foundation to build on, increasing their chances of success.
By following these guidelines, you’ll transition from founder-led sales to a scalable, managed sales operation that drives consistent revenue growth.
About the Author:
Brett Orlanski is an accomplished executive with over two decades of experience leading sales and partnership teams at SaaS companies and marketing platforms. As SVP of Product & Sales at Bango (LON: BGO), he scaled revenue by 300% and led global teams across three continents. At Bidalgo (now Unity, NYSE:U), he drove 100% year-over-year revenue growth and expanded partnerships to new territories and product verticals. Brett now runs BOSC, his consulting practice specializing in prepositioned customized sales frameworks for emerging B2B SaaS companies to drive scalable revenue growth.
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Transitioning from Founder-Led Sales to Founder-Managed Sales
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Anne Gherini - Sierra Ventures: Hey, everyone! Welcome to our session today. Really excited about this one we're talking about transitioning from founder led to founder, managed sales, and really about establishing a sales framework before you hire that sales leader. We've got a great group in attendance tonight or today, and really excited also for our speaker. So, Brett, I've known Brett for for years. He's an accomplished
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Anne Gherini - Sierra Ventures: executive, with over 2 decades of experience, leading sales and partnerships at Saas companies and marketing platforms. And
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Anne Gherini - Sierra Ventures: I really love his take on this topic. So I'm excited for you guys to hear this, we also will be putting out a blog post with the video and some key highlights after. So if there's anything you missed, you'll also have contact information for for how to get a hold of Brett. So without further ado, I'd like to introduce Brett and take it away.
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Brett Orlanski: Awesome, awesome. Thanks, Anne. I'm so so excited to be here. I'm gonna share my screen. We can get started here.
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Brett Orlanski: This is a topic that I'm very, very passionate about. I'm I'm excited to share with you. I'm calling it a transition from founder led sales to scalable revenue growth.
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Brett Orlanski: This is sort of a moment in time for young companies. That. I think they're potentially vulnerable that. They often don't even consider a moment in time. It's something. They just kind of work through. This transition from founder led sales and what comes after. So I wanted to deep dive this and really explore it with you, and I appreciate the opportunity, and everyone at cr ventures for inviting me again. This is really about B. 2 B Saas companies. But it doesn't necessarily have to only be those.
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Brett Orlanski: although typically it is also, this is about 25 min of content. We'll have some time at the end for for questions. But if you have questions, you know, and please let me know or put them in the chat.
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Brett Orlanski: So let's let's get into it. And I wanna tip my cards early and tell you what I want you to have by the end of this framework. And there's really, by the end of this webinar, excuse me, and there's 2 main things.
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Brett Orlanski: The 1st is, what is a sales framework. What what do I mean by that. And then how do you preposition it in order to scale revenue and the metaphor? I think a lot of is like sort of like a battle. You just don't show up to battle and wonder who you're fighting you. You want your supplies preposition. You want your trenches dug, you want your battle plans
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Brett Orlanski: prepared. So you are ready to go when the time is you just don't go all right. So what are we doing today? You have all this figured out. And the other sort of note about this is that I've tried to orient this presentation today as a prequel to another presentation that Sierra Venture is hosted by Simon Muttlu, who talked about selling to the enterprise. Well, just like you don't just start selling to bigger customers, and certainly enterprise customers without having a few things pre positioned and pre figured out
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Brett Orlanski: in that same way. This is a prequel to it. What are the things you need to have in place before you go on early.
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Brett Orlanski: let me start out by saying I'm wondering who you are in attendance, and I I assume that there's probably one of 3 buckets. Most commonly. The 1st is, perhaps you yourself are a founder, and you are shouldering all sales duties right now that makes sense. This is this is about founder led sales. Another potential bucket of people who may be here with us today
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Brett Orlanski: Vcs who want to add value to their port codes where they get often asked this question. I'm struggling with this moment in time transitioning, how do I do it? So you, as a Vc. Want to be able to add value and tips and tricks on how to make that transition.
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Brett Orlanski: The 3rd potential bucket is just someone who's sort of in the mix feeling the pain you're assisting a founder. You're assisting a Vc. You just want to be able to add value. Because, you see, there's a struggle.
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Brett Orlanski: Conversely, who am I? Well, I'm Brett Orlansky. And, as Ann mentioned, I've been doing this for over 2 decades, leading sales, business development and partnership teams, really for Sas companies, mobile marketing products growth marketing platforms. That's sort of the the area I've been in. But collectively, Saas tools.
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Brett Orlanski: Most recently, though, I was senior director of Strategic Partnerships for a company called Bodalgo. It was sold to Unity. It was a mobile app marketing platform. After that I was Svp. Of product and sales at a public company in the Uk called Bango. It's a financial services company, currently, though, I'm running my own consultancy called Bosk.
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Brett Orlanski: that focuses specifically on this prepositioning
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Brett Orlanski: and the goals here are, you know, I wanna learn other than you know what is a sales framework. How do you do it. I want to give some tips and tricks, some strategies. I want to understand when things, how, how you know, when you need one and identify the signs that you're ready to deploy it.
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Brett Orlanski: So let's get into it.
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Brett Orlanski: Alright. So what are these early stages? Well, you know, it's not always so so clean. But you know, typically what we see is the 1st stage here. Truly, truly, very beginning. You're talking from 1 million to 1 million error, your 1st dollar up to your 1 million and it's all founder led sales. So as a CEO as a founder, you're always going to be the best salesperson in your company. But at this early stage you're probably the only.
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Brett Orlanski: and you're selling to friendlies a sort of a good indicator like I'm in this stage, people that you know people in your network friendlies and friends of friends, people that you will can call directly because you have a relationship with them.
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Brett Orlanski: The next stage typically will be this one to 3 million in arr, where you're doing this transition. Now, you're no longer the only person that you're managing it. You're still in the mix often this is where you've had a Vp.
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Brett Orlanski: And now you're selling to a combination of both those friendlies. But now you're also selling to strangers people that you don't directly know you've had to do some cold outbound, and you're implementing the Mql. SQL. Framework. We'll talk with what I mean by that. But that's sort of the beginning of this.
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Brett Orlanski: The next common growth stage is. Now you're going from 3 million to 10 million in arr. And now this is the moment where it is truly managed by the sales Vp. And you, as a founder, have probably transitioned out. You're doing everything else necessary to run the company.
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Brett Orlanski: And then after that, now you're really, you're really building the team. So now you're north of 10 million.
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Brett Orlanski: You're building sales team. You have account executives, you have sales, development reps, you have account managers. This is really important. Your revenue is scaling. It's repeatable and predictable.
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Brett Orlanski: But just to be clear.
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Brett Orlanski: The phase I'm talking about is this early phase. That's when we're talking. When this transition typically occurs before this, you're in the lab you're building your product. You're still trying to figure it out
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Brett Orlanski: the other end on the far right. You've you've already figured it out. Typically, so you're good
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Brett Orlanski: this transitional moment from one to 3 million. This is a this is when you have to nail the sales framework and get that done.
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Brett Orlanski: So, as I indicated.
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Brett Orlanski: the dollar amounts don't always map to real life. It's nice that they do, but probably they won't. So let's talk about some other indicators that will tell you that you're really ready for a sales framework to be in place the 1st one super common product market fit. And by this I mean, you think you have product market fit, the market will verify if you do or not. But you think you do. And when you think you do, that's a signal that. Okay, cool. I'm ready to take my my product or service
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Brett Orlanski: to the market at large and sell to it. You're going to go beyond your warm connections. If you feel that your product has product market fit, you need the sales framework in place.
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Brett Orlanski: The next one is a sort of self, reflexive self acknowledgment that sales as a skill is a soft spot on by you or your founding team. It's common, especially in sas startups, that you come from a product or engineering background. You don't come from business development or sales product
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Brett Orlanski: alternatively or additionally, your product and company may be based and built outside of the Us. But you have ambition to sell it in the Us. And you're unfamiliar with the Us. Sales landscape. Or, honestly, you just don't like dealing with customers. If any of those things apply.
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Brett Orlanski: and you can honestly acknowledge sales is a little bit soft spot.
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Brett Orlanski: You have to have that sales framework.
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Brett Orlanski: The next growing revenue demands both externally and internally. So your investors are starting to ask you for traction. By the way, traction is this code for revenue?
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Brett Orlanski: But you have it on yourself. You need to generate, start generating money, to hire, to build your product, to hire, to hire vendors. You're doing this to build a business. So when those demands are real, both internally and externally, another indicator, another flag.
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Brett Orlanski: have to have the sales framework in place, and the 4th one is, you feel this temptation, you feel this itch just to outsource and delegate all of this work to a new head of sales. You want to be the CEO. You want to be the founder. You want to build a company, but you don't want to deal with revenue obligations.
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Brett Orlanski: So any one of these or all of them apply. These are indicators that not only tell you you need to have a framework, but you must. And again, they don't necessarily map to the dollar amounts before we saw in the previous slide. They're just good indicators.
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Brett Orlanski: Let's talk about the importance of having the framework in place and the consequences of not having it. So 3 of each. The 1st is that you're gonna get a lot faster market feedback on your revenue goals. You're gonna have aligned goals and expectations, and you can set and test your revenue plan. You will be able to right size your team. It's very often that you.
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Brett Orlanski: Have thoughts initially of Wells. Hire 3 people, but is 3 people the right number of people. Maybe you don't need any of them. Maybe you can do it all your own. You. If you get that revenue that sales framework in place, you will be able to right size your team.
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Brett Orlanski: You will also be able to accelerate revenue as founder. You're going to be closer to those customers. Put your own stamp and vision on it, and build your ideal client profile and your sales cycles that you can then confirm.
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Brett Orlanski: that will lead to shorter sales cycles. There's less noise in our system with a crisp, ideal client profile. You can qualify out non customers don't sell to people that honestly will never buy. We'll talk more about the importance of an ideal client profile, and how to create it. But this is really important, this concept that you're qualifying out, not qualifying in potential new customers. Your deal terms have already been set. You're not gonna have to
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Brett Orlanski: create these from scratch or just do what your customer potential tells you. They're willing to pay. This creates this virtual cycle. A crisp, ideal client. Profile returns faster customer feedback, which confirms that you're in the right market, which shortens your sales cycle.
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Brett Orlanski: Conversely.
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Brett Orlanski: the biggest problem that you will make by not having a sales framework in place, probably will be making poor hiring decisions. It's not just anecdotal, it's absolutely empirical that unfortunately, most sales hires don't last past their 1st year. A lot of reasons why? Obviously, I think it's because you don't have the sales framework in place. This is going to create internal division misalignment. And, by the way, it's expensive, it's an expensive mistake to make. Trust me. I know I've been the expensive mistake
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Brett Orlanski: you're gonna lose momentum, you're gonna lose focus. There's too many other things to work on. And again, how do you expect someone from the outside to tell you what your revenue potential is. This is something that you, as a founder, have to figure out first.st the last bullet here is that sales will push product and absence of a sales plan, and I acknowledge there's always going to be a healthy push pull between sales and product. And I think that's actually a good dynamic to have. But if you don't have the sales plan first, st
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Brett Orlanski: what happens is an outside plan will come in that pushes the product to so into to build something that the sales can sell. But that's not the right balance. It has to be an equal, an equilibrium that won't be in place. If you haven't figured out the sales plan first, st
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Brett Orlanski: and then again, you're just wasting time. You're wasting money
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Brett Orlanski: sales hires at a senior level are expensive. They're honestly about a quarter 1 million dollars a year, often a lot more. This is not a kind of job that you want someone to figure out on their own. There's so much of this as you that can be done. It's publicly available, as you'll see, the sales framework is pretty straightforward, and again, it positions you as a founder to set the tone for everything else that goes forward.
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Brett Orlanski: Okay, cool. We talked about it. What is this silly thing? What is the sales framework. Well, there's 3 components to it, and it's intentionally pretty straightforward. The 1st is a sales and business development strategy. The discrete outcome of this exercise here is to get your 1st 10 customers. That's the objective.
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Brett Orlanski: It also commonly maps that 1 million dollars in arr, although not always. But it's, I think, more common. More often than not it'll happen that way.
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Brett Orlanski: Identify your ideal client profile as an Mvp. But not as a minimally viable product. So as a minimally viable customer. What I mean by that is, figure out what are the absolute fewest requirements that a client must have, that a customer must have. That is what you have to do as your Icp
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Brett Orlanski: Exclude out
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Brett Orlanski: potential customers that aren't right in that really, really core tight circle. Go centric circles. Think of it like that radiating out over time.
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Brett Orlanski: The next is your addressable market, your total addressable market. So you want to define it.
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Brett Orlanski: You want to redefine it and then verify it.
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Brett Orlanski: How do you do that? Well, I have this little acronym called Arc. The 1st is you make an assumption. You, to begin with, have to build an assumption of how big this market potentially is. Discount it, sandbag it cut in half, be conservative, make some assumptions.
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Brett Orlanski: The next is research, the R. Research, your your assumptions to verify them. Are you on the right pages? You've thought of some ideas? Are they correct, based on what you can figure out. And then the C. Are your competitors. How big are the competitors? Who are they in the market that you intend to enter. How big are they, how much money they raise? What kind of sales team do they offer? What are their commercial terms? How long they've been around? Who are the customers they boast about
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Brett Orlanski: this, all will allow you to verify that your market is is as big as you think. And, by the way, it's the right market to be. In the 1st place.
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Brett Orlanski: build those industry standard commercial terms. This is not the time at the early phase to start totally new commercial structure and accept the fact that in the beginning and this 1st 10 customers, you're gonna leave money on the table, it won't be optimized. And that's okay. You're just trying to get those commercial terms that are acceptable that aren't weird or unusual, or cause any pushback.
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Brett Orlanski: And then finally drop that customer journey. There's at least 2, your direct sold cold outbound, and then you're organic, and then the early days your organic will probably be none. Assume. So eventually it'll be some. But but the second half of the customer journey will be the same. Which means to say that once you've got the customer on the phone, on in a meeting on a zoom. You can sell to them the same way. But the beginning you have to figure out your messaging. What is it that you're trying? To? What problem are you trying to solve? Make sure it's clean.
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Brett Orlanski: The next stage in this sales framework is pipeline management, the goal. The discrete outcome is to fill your pipeline at your current headcount and tool levels. What I mean by that is whatever head count you have today. Whatever tools you have today don't go. Add to it. Just figure out what the carrying capacity of that is, and fill it up all the way.
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Brett Orlanski: How do you do that?
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Brett Orlanski: Deploy the Mql. SQL. Framework? It's super common, but it's really really helpful.
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Brett Orlanski: I define an Mql. A marketing qualified lead as a company, which means to say that they are a potential customer. They look good to me, they're my, they fit my ideal client profile. They from a distance. They look like they could be a customer. But that's it. It's a somewhat simple definition
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Brett Orlanski: in SQL.
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Brett Orlanski: Is an Mql. Where I have identified the point of contact. I have made contact with that person, and they have expressed some minimal level of interest.
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Brett Orlanski: Send me a deck. How much does this thing cost? Sure I'll take a meeting. Yes, let's let's get on the phone some minimal level of interest. That's an SQL. Now, the conversion from Mql to SQL is about 10%. So if you have 100 Mql's, you can expect to get 10 sqls out of it. And that's an important thing. Won't always be 10%. But assume that's kind of the the average conversion rate
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Brett Orlanski: you now have to calculate how many Mql's you got to put in the top in order to get the revenue targets based upon the known conversion rate. Now, by the way, the SQL. To close deal, that's going to be better. That's probably 50% assuming your sqls are really really well qualified. And you gotta calculate your sales cycle. How long does it take to close the deal from Hi? I'm Brett from Bosk
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Brett Orlanski: to assign contract. How long does that take? Measured in days or weeks, your close rate, the confidence of close at each stage, and the deal. Value.
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Brett Orlanski: Figure these things out as part of your pipeline management exercise, and then craft your cold, outbound messaging. What is your what is the tone, what is the problem you're trying to solve? Keep it short. It's generally better to be a sniper than a shotgun. You want to be tight, and unfortunately, this is where a lot of the work comes in given the high volume of Mql's that you may have in order to hit your your sales targets.
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Brett Orlanski: You may have to send out a lot of email. Well, that means you have to do a lot of bespoke writing. You can't just send out the same blast email to everybody. So it is a lot of work. The last stage here is your partner optimization. And this is something that I think it's really overlooked. It is absolutely true that you will make more money from your current clients and from signing that new ones who take too much time off it to mature. Most companies kind of are just happy to have clients, especially in the early days. They don't manage their partner network.
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Brett Orlanski: Don't overlook this.
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Brett Orlanski: The way to do this is by asking yourself, What is the share of wallet? Calculate this, so the wallet size is your denominator in the equation. The wallet size is, what is the total pool of money that you are a candidate
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Brett Orlanski: to actually generate or to actually earn? You're never going to get 100%. But what is that amount? That's the denominator. The numerator is how much you're currently getting. And the share of wallet is is that fraction.
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Brett Orlanski: So prioritize ruthlessly prioritize clients where the wallet size is large.
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Brett Orlanski: But your share wallet is small, because if you're already getting a good chunk of the available dollars. They're good. You don't have to worry about them.
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Brett Orlanski: Keep them happy alternatively. If the wallet size is small, then it's never going to turn to a really big client, anyway. Prioritize where the wallet size is large, but your share of it is small.
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Brett Orlanski: Focus on retention or or client reducing churn. How do you do that by amazing client solution support. I'll talk more about that in the next slide. But these are the the aspects of partner optimization strategy.
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Brett Orlanski: Let's talk about the
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Brett Orlanski: some tips. Actually, how you do these things. Some some caught some time saving mechanisms here to the 1st one the sales and media strategy tighten that Icp ensure your pricing so you can get your 1st 10 clients because you're excluding out potential customers, not including in. I I remember when I 1st talked to Ann about this.
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Brett Orlanski: sometimes people say, Well, I just. I'm willing to talk to anybody who will take my call, or our client is anyone who will pay me. That's the wrong answer. You have to have a really really tight Icp, and again, the concentric circle thing is how you kind of radiate out and think of it.
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Brett Orlanski: It's also okay to mimic your competitors terms, but make them better. And by better. I don't mean cheaper. It's not a race to the bottom on pricing. In fact, it's actually okay sometimes to out to increase your pricing a little bit, but make your product your your deal terms better by making them simple. Just remove any friction. This is not the moment to introduce a really really complex deal structure
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Brett Orlanski: on pipeline management. Find to that sales funnel deal value multiplied by the probability of close times. A sales cycle is your lifetime value. Again, it's around 50% that you can expect to to see in terms of churn.
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Brett Orlanski: But that means, for every you know, whatever whatever number of clients that you have after the initial term ends half will turn out, but another half will continue, and that is now your Ltv. And with that Ltv. You can align your revenue goals, and make sure these things are aligned, making sure that you have enough deals on top.
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Brett Orlanski: knowing the Ltv. That you can hit the targets, because if those things are out of whack or out of alignment. It's not going to work, and that's going to cause major friction
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Brett Orlanski: trick here. How do you do this? Use the Magic 40. This is my kind of number that I just found throughout my career. The number 40 is a number of deals that a salesperson can manage at the right time. Why, 40?
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Brett Orlanski: Well, it's enough deals that you won't lose track of all the details of all the deals you're working on, but it's also an acknowledgment that not all of them will transpire to close. So you will lose some, and it's still enough that you're working at any one time that you can still hit those targets, and of that 40 further break it down. 5 of them at any one time should be in constant deal negotiation. You're actually negotiating to close the deal. The other 35. You're working through the sales funnel.
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Brett Orlanski: You're trying to qualify them as a sales qualified lead. Other people at the target need to see your product. They have questions, they have, they? They want a demo or do another demo. That's okay. So that's the 35 and 5, and as you qualify in, qualify out close, one close lost, you can refresh that 40 from your pool of Mqls.
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Brett Orlanski: And then finally, on this partner, optimization focus on reducing churn. The baseline again, is 50% industry standard tools like a sales force. They're seeing 90 plus percent retention. But that's a very mature product. It's been around. It's been optimized. If you're at this early stage, your product is young. So you're gonna have a frankly pretty high churn rate. Accept it, but try to improve it. How you do that list all of your clients out by, and then tag them red, amber or green
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Brett Orlanski: green is. They're good, they're happy, they're responsive. They seem to be using the features that you offer amber or orange you're not quite sure they're a little bit wobbly and red. They're churn risk. Well, when you do that list, and you do this once a month
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Brett Orlanski: you can focus on the amber and red ones. Don't worry about the green ones because they're good. Focus on getting ahead of the problem and be proactive.
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Brett Orlanski: Are the deal terms. Not working out? Is the product too expensive relative to the to the value it brings? Is it delivering the value that that you promised in the beginning. Get ahead of it, don't be reactive.
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Brett Orlanski: And then, finally, this is sort of my my summation of it all my my thoughts and takeaways.
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Brett Orlanski: The 1st is, don't ignore the stage. It is a stage in your cycle. Don't ignore it. Figuring these things out. Prepositioning that sales framework will prevent these headaches and ensure smooth scaling.
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Brett Orlanski: building the framework. Honestly, it forces you to answer these hard questions. You just have to put numbers on paper and do the math to see if it pencils out. In the 1st place, you have to figure that out in the beginning.
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Brett Orlanski: and finally do this before you add a head of sales or any other outside salesperson, because that person will not be successful unless you've done all this hard work by before they arrive.
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Brett Orlanski: So it's a lot, some facts and figures, some things I've seen my own experience. But I'm happy to help at any time, you know. Just reach out to me. There's my email.